St Circumstance saidThey have a need for HS to be wrong. I care less about her past as she killed no one! Amazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trial. var part3 = "Deb at Mansonblog dot com"; It should also lead us directly to Charles Manson (a loving father to HIS Family and a Natural Born KILLER to many others.Like no other time in History, WE are discovering new facts concerning just what makes the Human Brain tick and hopefully it won't be much longer until WE finally understand exactly why human beings do the "terrible" things THEY do.AND of course, that understanding will eventually lead to a sense of awareness in humans paralleled in all of history. After the trials you have 'the' motive and it is in their best interest to jump on the band wagon. That makes Ms. Kasabian (as the key witness) a bit of pet project of mine. Don't get me wrong I do not believe any of these crazies actually had thought processes like that. As soon as he enters the LaBianca house, ties them up tells them not to worry it is only a robbery he is done. To me it seems that whatever Pat and Tex thought they were killing people for- would be the motivation or motive for the crime by definition.Even if they realize they were duped later. The young couple moved west last New Year's. A daughter, Tanya, is living with relatives in New Hampshire. They only knew she didn't partake in violence because at Cielo, she was look out and wasn't asked. Dreath saidI think there is a tendency to look at Kasabian's involvement through the lens provided by what we know (or believe or have been told to believe ) from where we sit todayThere's a lot of truth in that. In HS Bugliosi more or less says the same thing. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Dreath saidI agree with your comment about multiple angles. Linda gave birth to a daughter Tanya in 1968. Therefore, as far as I can see, the description of Linda as a hippy, as was understood by those not in sympatico with any countercultural thought, is pretty accurate. When family members have secretly filmed some of the goings on, it's hard to get the resultant film out of one's mind and just as hard not to apply the contents to everyone in that line of work. But she testified against great danger. I would say roughly around midnight. Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. Saint said: The real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their families. Now you seem to be hating on John McCain who enlisted, was shot down, and tortured at the Hanoi Hilton. Some people are just wired differently and motivated by different things. Why ?Lo' and be hold, Bugliosi had a perfect scenario to answer this very important questionYou make it sound like he made it up ! Thanks DREATH for a great expose on Linda. It was not bizarre. I don't believe he was the masterminded behind the Hinman murder. She gives so much info on that murder, both the before, the during and the after. When Charlie meets with Susan, even though she's plumbed him firmly in it with confessions, articles, interviews,a book and a grand jury starring role, she recants and ends up granting herself a one way ticket to oblivion.Coincidence ?Tex and Linda, on the other hand, don't see or have contact with Charlie and stick with their stories {even though we know Tex's is bullshit, some of Linda's is corroborated by Joe Sage}.Coincidence ?Fits her personality (disorder? people who assert their opinions as biblical truths.I am not picking on him, but just by way of example, Saint said."The real Losers in this entire sage are the victims and their families".First of all, no offense but that is a "duh" statement to the point of being a cliche.Second, it is said that you can't compare pain any more than you can compare love. "I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. Not only that, she said she had to go get it from Squeaky and Charlie, if it were not true, would he have remained quiet about it ? Some I'm not done pondering, some need more research and I am trying to find an expert or two. It's not a fair or valuable trait to have.we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness standThat makes good sense and allows for nuances. Perhaps soemthing more general. I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I didYou didn't offend at all.I'll stop now. Always was. For Susan it was over relatively quickly so Sharon being left alone for a short space of time may not be as relevant as you imply it is. That said there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wants (and gets away with it). George Stimson reckons it was because she owed him, after Charlie had protected her from her husband and Charles Melton when they came to get their $5000 back. St Circumstance saidOk- Ill be devils advocate. Where does light fusion into anything with Linda?As far as I'm concerned, every human being has something about them that is positive while at the same time being a container of darkness, regardless of the degree. She's not the reason why some black males are serving life for Marijuana. So I suspect that IF the TATE / LaBianca massacre took place today, they would be filling the ambulances with cops who got nauseated and pass-out. Back then nashua was a small town in nh.Also i personally talked to someone who picked her up hitchiking in nh the 70s.He said she was pregnant must of been her second child. I would have testified without a deal" translates when the evidence is revealed to 'I'm not talking even if the sky falls (but I will for immunity)". The next night, she again drove the family including the previous night members as well as Charles Manson, Leslie Van Houten and Steve Grogan to the house of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, rich owners of a grocery store chain. I'm kinda thinkn' there were plenty of precursors, gleefully ignored, or dismissed.Linda's report cards packed with A's and B's? It seemed to make little difference because when push came to shove, the jury wanted to know what happened during those two nights of murder and all the sidetracking in the world couldn't get in the way of that. In that case, Helter Skelter, even to this day, still STIMULATES the economy which is STILL a good thing, in a capitalist society. Robert Hendrickson posted: AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." If she was serious about half of what she said on it, she wouldn't have tried to avoid arrest. Parent.2. The Last of the Manson Girls, Sharon Tate-The Biography Sharon Tate Book 2011, The Manson File- Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman, Vanity Fair April 2011 interview w/Charlie in Spanish. She admits to stabbing Rosemary in it mate ! Kasabian had only been a member of the Family for six weeks when the Tate murders took place. Hippies were generally viewed as only a couple of notches above the Family {who were themselves viewed as Hippies}. Kind'a seems like whenever there's room to squeeze in a little speculation, that is exactly what becomes the imagined TRUTH.BTW: Dreath has a good point - a "good" DA could have gotten THEM all with a "robbery" charge. Mine is that Linda left her child with a group of people she knew were capable of murder to save her own ass. The people I have met who support Charlie cant stand her. [And Bugliosi leads a reluctant Kasabian to the answer he wants. You leave it to someone else to decide if someone is lying: judge or jury. She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? Robert Hendrickson saidDreath has a good point - a "good" DA could have gotten THEM all with a "robbery" charge. She is a good person, who became involved with the wrong people. The involvement of Susan and Gypsy in the Shorty affair has come to light too. The other day you were hating on people who never killed one single communist or burned one village, because they used their draft deferrments to wait out the war. It was through Charles Melton that she came into contact with Catherine Gypsy Share, a member of Manson family. That's why she denied any knowledge of the LaBianca murders, but accidentally slipped up and supplied information helpful with Tate. Her most interesting revelation on it came actually during the Watson trial, when HS is not emphasized the way it was in the TLB trial. The charges against her were dropped when she agreed to attend a drug counselling session. Bugliosi would want that covered up and it was easy for him to do sobecause NONE of them said anything about what took place after LaBianca, until Kasabian got her deal. That was about all we had" speaks volumes, not to mention his thought at the end of '69 that Manson could well be acquitted and his feeling that it could turn out to be better for Linda to be tried & acquitted than testify against the Family.there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wantsTrue, but it's an answer that he wants already knowing that answer. I have a terrible habit of taking this too personally. :-), "When they go low- I get high"or something like that lol. Both were at the Spahn Ranch near Chatsworth, stronghold of the 35-year-old Manson's nomadic cult of young people. Linda Darlene Kasabian (born Drouin; June 21, 1949) is a former member of the Manson Family. After talking to a social worker, Linda returned to Los Angeles and eventually got her daughter back. Your Resource for the Tate-LaBianca (TLB) MurdersYesterday :: Today :: Tomorrow :: Where No Sense Makes Sense. Most likely a white man took his place. Period. If one of the ones that you obviously wanted {the "reasonable" ones} had been accepted as the one, exactly the same thing could be said.How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the groupAt this point, I always like to say that being an angel is not a guaranteed beautiful thing.Satan's an angel !The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? These weren't and aren't good people. Linda wanted to patch things up and therefore went to Los Angeles. That Tex was the nicest guy. As for the night of LaBianca, it's so shrouded in mystery and there are so many questions that I am not exactly sure what his role was. It Gets Charlie off the hookWhile getting Charlie off the hook may be paramount for "Charlie supporters" I've found piles more people who are not Charlie supporters, indeed, people who can't stand him or that think he's a shitbag and are quite happy for him to remain in or die in jail, that believe that HS is wrong.In fact, far more people think it's wrong than do, in my on line experience. But still, nobody is going to argue if you apply terms like bad and evil to Tex. His case went like this:"Charles Manson sent out from the fires of hell at Spahn Ranch three heartless, bloodthirsty robots and--unfortunately for him--one human being, the hippie girl Linda Kasabian." document.write(part3 + ''); She got lucky Atkins folded, leaving her the only game in town and she skated. Same with Shea. "Also as stated somewhere earlier, it didn't need some bogus story about a Lebanese actor to cover any Linda murder mania, not when 2 of the murderers had previously told police and other witnesses that she hadn't killed anyone.Given that no one was charged with even the attempted murder of or conspiracy to murder Saladin Nader, one might have to conclude you're chucking exhibits from that box of red herrings again.."The problem is Grim, Bugliosi painted a portrait of her as being different. That gave me an insight that Bugliosi & Gentry's book doesn't even hint at, though it initially inspired it. I believe, in fact I know, others were present when he was killed who were never even charged. That's about all I have to say. said the leader of some long-hairs - and that's how dangerous DRUGS can be. Testifying before the jury that it was all them and Charlie had nothing to do with it isn't exactly the best way to demonstrate the prosecutor was wrong. I am still in contact as recently as 12/16. But what happened before and after that. I will not praise Deb because she is awesome and already knows it.But no mention of LADY DANGEROUS? It's questionable to anybody with an objectionable mind who can smell bullshit. Manson Blog Locates and Interviews Son of Clyda Dulaney! Because there was no doubt that I knew that what was ever going to happen here was not going to be good. But Versailles partly contributed to that and some of what he did for Germany was good. Who should we rely upon? Why any of them were picked isn't really relevant is it ? How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the group. At least ONE Black man personally died in the jungles of Vietnam so HE could get a FREE Blow-Job. Manson Blog Reveals Bobby Beausoleil's "Art" Focuses on Child Domestic Discipline! And there are times her testimony 'just don't make no sense'.A large part of this never saw the light of day because as Mr. Hendrickson noted there was no $$$$. My apologies Dreath. Perhaps I'm cynical, and she found joy sponge bathing a freshly soiled senior. Because the media and Bernie told me so. The getaway driver that Tex laid into for starting the car, whom he didn't let drive.Linda doesn't sound so willing, really. But I don't think so. var part1 = "gw"; Now taken into considering the location this apparently took place. You can barely hear the dialogue and the transcript is full of "(Unintelligible)" and there are things she actually says that are not written in the transcript. That is cover something up, replace it with something dramatic to help my caseI guess there's absolutely no possibility whatsoever that her story was true.Why would any lawyer not want to help their case ?Bug said Linda wasn't involved in any trouble prior to being at Spahn, yet he forgets she did admit to dealing drugs Did he actually say that ? The couple divorced and she married again to Robert Kasabian. I've never thought of it like that. Thank you very much, Lynn. Farflung saidI'm kinda thinkn' there were plenty of precursors, gleefully ignored, or dismissedI think you're right. BUT even self-hate can have positive results and be a driving force for good.Supposedly there has been ONLY one person planted on this earth who was ALL good, but even HE committed assault & battery on "innocent" victims. His closing argument, like the closing argument of any attorney, is just that 'argument'. She does go on to say that it was because she did not want to face the whole thing while pregnant, but still, she knew she was pregnant when she told her husband, Joe Sage and Jeffrey Jacobs.The intention of testifying I guess only becomes a hot issue after the indictments and at that point, is it really unusual for there to have been some uncertainty on her part as to what she was going to do ?Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witnessThat was interesting. How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?However, when you go on to say but to the jury back in 1969, it was. The twenty-year-old girl was arrested in New Hampshire yesterday on a fugitive warrant for Los Angeles police who want to question her in connection with the murder of . I only decide how I wanna feel. If you really want my opinion- to me it confirms she had no intention of testifying. Early Life. She later became the prosecutions chief witness against Charles Manson and his followers after the 1969Tate-LaBianca murders. Even if she was alone for as long as 2 or 3 minutes, a pregnant, tied, tired, scared {described by Atkins as "going out of her mind"} Sharon wasn't The Fugitive on TV who would take the first possible opportunity to effect escape.From the confusion that all of the perps have spoken of that night, what I've gleaned is that we have all the details of what happened at Cielo but the order of events has never been clear after Jay was shot. We do not know why any of them were picked. Manson, the mastermind criminal with an "uncanny ability" to brainwash people sent a girl who was on the ranch for a only a few weeks out on a murder mission, and didn't tell her the plan apparently.because she was licensed to drive?NOW. Linda least of all- the only price she paid at all was karma. Talks about how she had to put real strength into stabbing a human because it wasn't like cutting meat. But this has always been subject to alteration, progression, sideways steps, change, being unwise, you know, life. You believe she was largely an accurate witness. So many people make so many arguments about how unfair life has been to them. Very Well Saidand again. St Circumstance saidand then left her child with the people who she knew committed themWhile this is generally taken as evidence of her total unfitness as a parent, for me it's more significant that she left her kid with a group whose child rearing methods she did not like than the fact that they had murdered. They killed the people 'Because Charlie told us to.'" Or even implicate him.Based upon what ex-members recently revealed about the Hinman murder and DeCarlo, the maker who interviewed these people believes that DeCarlo should and hopefully WILL be charged with conspiracy to commit murder. 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